Lee Sedol lost first game against AlphaGo

[Rainer Rosenthal]

Hello all

as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).

Cheers,
Rainer
GoChild GoRo with 2774270 points
http://gochild2009.appspot.com/

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 22:41:53 +0100, Rainer Rosenthal

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
Hello all
as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).

Is that program downloadable? Can we all run it on our machines?

[Bill]

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 22:41:53 +0100, Rainer Rosenthal

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
Hello all
as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).

Is that program downloadable? Can we all run it on our machines?

Not even close. If I recall correctly, it uses over 1000 CPUs and 400
GPUs (maybe that's mostly for training, I don't know). On the other
hand, I am hopeful that a by-product of AlphaGo's effort will yield a
powerful consumer go program. If you look around, you can find some
specifications of the program AlphaGo (associated with Nature journal,
maybe).

Bill

[Ken Blake]

Post by Bill

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 22:41:53 +0100, Rainer Rosenthal

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
Hello all
as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).

Is that program downloadable? Can we all run it on our machines?

Not even close. If I recall correctly, it uses over 1000 CPUs and 400

Thanks. I was afraid of something like that.

Ken

Post by Bill
GPUs (maybe that's mostly for training, I don't know). On the other
hand, I am hopeful that a by-product of AlphaGo's effort will yield a
powerful consumer go program. If you look around, you can find some
specifications of the program AlphaGo (associated with Nature journal,
maybe).
Bill

[Robert Jasiek]

it uses over 1000 CPUs and 400 GPUs

1202 CPUs and 176 GPUs.

AlphaGo has just won game 2.

[Bill]

Post by Robert Jasiek
AlphaGo has just won game 2.

Yes, I've watched both games in their entirety. Along with almost
90,000 others, I think.

Bill

[Robert Jasiek]

Along with almost 90,000 others, I think.

And probably dozens of millions on other channels in East Asia:)

[Bill]

Post by Robert Jasiek

Along with almost 90,000 others, I think.

And probably dozens of millions on other channels in East Asia:)

Ah, good point! I was wondering why the numbers weren't higher (than
90,000).

Bill

[Rainer Rosenthal]

I have moved from 24K (when I started) to 16k over 3
months. So I am still a beginner, but my progress is evident to me

Congrats!

Cheers,
Rainer

[rt]

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
Hello all
as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).

http://www.nature.com/news/the-go-files-ai-computer-wins-first-match-against-master-go-player-1.19544

Has 4 hour embedded video...

[John Geoffrey]

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
Hello all
as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).
Cheers,
Rainer
GoChild GoRo with 2774270 points
http://gochild2009.appspot.com/

One interesting thing about this is that it is being covered by a lot of
mainstream media. You don't see that very often with Go-related stuff.

[Rainer Rosenthal]

Post by John Geoffrey

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
Hello all
as this is a newsgroup it may be noteworthy that Google's AlphaGo
program won the first game of a series of five games scheduled for March
9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 (GMT).
Cheers,
Rainer
GoChild GoRo with 2774270 points
http://gochild2009.appspot.com/

One interesting thing about this is that it is being covered by a lot of
mainstream media. You don't see that very often with Go-related stuff.

Indeed, this is marvellous.
Thanks to my Go-teaching activities round here there are a lot of people
who ask me: Did you hear the news about Go?
And they hand me over some newspaper articles from last weekend.
I am sure they wouldn't have paid any attention when they would never
have heard of Go. So this is a great chance to make Go more popular.

Many Go-players are sad that "man lost against machine", but in my
opinion this is a great opportunity to get a deeper understanding of the
fascinating world that our beloved game of Go provides.
Robert seems to see it that way, too.

@Bill: In the long run Lee Sedol will be glad to learn how to avoid bad
habits.

Cheers,
Rainer

[Robert Jasiek]

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
a great opportunity to get a deeper understanding of the
fascinating world that our beloved game of Go provides.
Robert seems to see it that way, too.

And a deeper understanding of how human thinking works. Artificial
general intelligence is a nice goal, too, unless, you know, it would
be abused for attacks on humanity.

[Rainer Rosenthal]

Post by Robert Jasiek

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
a great opportunity to get a deeper understanding of the
fascinating world that our beloved game of Go provides.
Robert seems to see it that way, too.

And a deeper understanding of how human thinking works. Artificial
general intelligence is a nice goal, too, unless, you know, it would
be abused for attacks on humanity.

Wilhelm Busch: Zu guter Letzt

Drum

Wie dunkel ist der Lebenspfad,
Den wir zu wandeln pflegen.
Wie gut ist da ein Apparat
Zum Denken und Erwägen.
Der Menschenkopf ist voller List
Und voll der schönsten Kniffe;
Er weiß, wo was zu kriegen ist,
Und lehrt die rechten Griffe.

Und weil er sich so nützlich macht,
Behält ihn jeder gerne.
Wer stehlen will, und zwar bei Nacht,
Braucht eine Diebslaterne.

Gruß,
Rainer

[sobriquet]

Post by Robert Jasiek

Post by Rainer Rosenthal
a great opportunity to get a deeper understanding of the
fascinating world that our beloved game of Go provides.
Robert seems to see it that way, too.

And a deeper understanding of how human thinking works. Artificial
general intelligence is a nice goal, too, unless, you know, it would
be abused for attacks on humanity.

It will be awesome when they use AI to advance comprehension
of natural language to the level of skill we see now in the game of
go. Then they can combine both and the bot should be able to explain
what it's thinking while it reasons about the game.

[Robert Jasiek]

Post by sobriquet
It will be awesome when they use AI to advance comprehension
of natural language to the level of skill we see now in the game of
go. Then they can combine both and the bot should be able to explain
what it's thinking while it reasons about the game.

No, not yet. The major step will be the AI's understanding of the go
theory in terms of both the language it can then speak and the go
playing machine it has access to. And understanding of its own go
playing AI is another major research task. Furthermore, the AI needs
teaching skills adapted to every pupil with their dynamic, varying
demands.

Go teaching is simpler than artificial general intelligence but much
more difficult than the simple addition of go playing and fluency in,
say, English.